England vs germany world war 2 games

Germany couldn't have defeated Britain, but Britain couldn't have defeated Germany either. Britain won the Battle of Britain and the Battle of the Atlantic, at the critical phase both without much American support. They also won the North Africa campaign before American support became much of an issue. But there is no way Britain could have conducted a cross-channel invasion on the scale of Overlord alone. But another thing you have to remember is that Russia was the single biggest absorber of German forces by a long way.

The level of force the Germans deployed in the West would have just been whatever was required to counter British forces.

If the British applied more pressure, the Germans would pull a few more divisions from the East and transfer to the West. So you probably will still have ended up with the East and West Allies arriving in Germany together, because Germany would adjust its troop levels to bolster whichever side was being more heavily pressed.

As the Russians closed on Berlin, eventually German troop levels in France would have fallen to a level where the British could invade. I'm deliberately avoiding the whole "Russia would have collapsed without the US" argument. By the end of British industrial output was greater than Germany in regards to the production of armaments. That's because Germany didn't start to set itself on a war economy footing until Speer mobilised it starting in The biggest part of WW2 outcome was that things didn't work for the Germans favour, since their leader was stupid in tactics.

The U boats controlled the Atlantic more then the British Navy ever could, as it could not match it. Could Britain have surrendered if no supplies had gotten through, Churchill would most definately have told them to get stuffed, but others may have gone against him if it meant the survival of britain. Speer made the war last an extra 2 years, and if he had more supplies, he might of made it last another 5 more, just no man power to use it The US "aid" was a major saviour and if as swerve said, the USA had of remaind Swiss on the subject, the brits would have been weaker.

But no matter what, with Churchill running the show, there would never have been the very notion of surrender, to the end may have been the fate of England.

Big-E Banned Member. If the US had not gotten involved Britain would have fallen after a stiff resistance. It is simply a matter of attrition. UK did not have enough material and manpower to withstand the whole resources of Fortress Europe. Oh common there aint any two ways about it. Had US not intervened Britain would have been beaten by the Germans all hands down.

Infact WW-II left Britain in such a bad shape their win was more like one of those consolation prizes. LancerMc New Member. In this question there are many different scenarios you must take into account. Would the U. The likelihood of the U. Don't forget Winston Churchill was good friends of Roosevelt, and he was also an American citizen with his mother being from the U.

So the political situation was vastly different from the World War I. Would Germany invade the Soviet Union? Hitler's stupid idea really saved Britain at the cost of millions of Soviets lives. Barbarossa caused a vast an important shift of materials to another part of Europe.

The invasion effectively damaged the ability of Western Europe Luftwaffe units to attack and protect their other assets in Europe. Would have Hitler taken the advice to produce only U-boats instead of a surface fleet. Many Admirals in the Nazi navy wanted as many U-boats to built as possible, but Hitler still wanted a large surface fleet which shifted away from production of the much deadlier U-boat.

What if the Luftwaffe had actually produced a good and effective heavy bomber? Many in the Luftwaffe believed in only the effectiveness of medium bombers in combat.

This assumption was proven wrong during the Battle of Britain. Had Germany put more an effort in developing a better long range bomber then their horrible Grief, they could have struck at the heart of British industrial production. What if Hitler had made Jet technology a priority? If Hitler had made this the largest priority for the Luftwaffe, when Germany attempted to invade the U. What would the be the conclusion of this event. Great Britain would fall because of the destruction of its industrial base not only from submarine warfare, but a more effective Luftwaffee with jet aircraft and long range bombers.

Great Britain would be invaded, but losses by Germany would be so high they would withdrawal from the island. In many ways if Germany had actually tried to invade the U. I would think Britain would fight to last to throw fascists from their homeland. In this process the U. Great Britain, would repel the initial invasion and Germany would probably try to form some type of peace treaty on British terms to end hostilities on the western front.

And don't forget that the Battle of Britain was a very close thing. If the Germany wouldn't have stopped to attack the airfields and concentrated on attacking the London and other cities than the RAF would have collapsed. It operated near total collaps till the Germans changed their strategy. But I really think the key is the Sovjet Union. If Hitler had not attacked them Many scientists don't think that the SU would have attacked Germany otherwise Germany would have been able to concentrate most of its ressources and troops in the west, especially enforcing the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain and the troops supporting Italy in Africa.

I am sure that without any support from the US, a lost Battle of Britain which left a shattered RAF, no chance of invading the channel coast, more German troops facing them in Africa and a real bad air threat for their land based industry and RN the UK would have agreed to a peace treaty which was the goal of Hitler.

I am glad that this is just hypotetical. Agree with most of what was said. Interesting is the point that Germany achieved many of its early war goals, without going to full war production. On 13 August, Hitler agreed that the invasion front should to be narrowed, with the most westerly landing area being around Worthing. The revised invasion plan was issued by the German High Command on 30 August. Hitler agreed that the invasion front should to be narrowed, with the most westerly landing area being around Worthing.

The first assault wave was to secure the beachhead. The second wave packed the real punch for it was made up of two Panzer Divisions - each composed of tanks, artillery, mobile troops and Panzer grenadier assault infantry - and one motorised division. The role of the panzers was to break out of the beachhead and then sweep west towards Portsmouth.

The first wave here was to consist of two infantry divisions, while the second wave was to include two Panzer Divisions that were to break out of the beachhead and advance north - to destroy the main reserves of the British army and establish crossings over the River Medway.

These landings were to be supported by parachute troops, who were to drop on the Downs above Brighton, to assist in the securing of the beach head for the Brighton-Worthing assault group, and north west of Folkestone in Kent to seize the Royal Military Canal of Napoleonic war vintage.

The Germans saw this canal, which had been built to stop French invaders storming across Romney Marsh on their way to London, as a significant anti-tank obstacle that could, if not bridged, stall the advance of their panzers. The initial objective for both assault groups was to establish a front from the Thames Estuary to Portsmouth. Then the build-up would begin with additional supplies and troops being brought in.

When the build-up was complete the panzers of the Brighton-Worthing assault group would attack towards Basingstoke, Newbury and Oxford to secure crossing points over the Thames and to encircle and isolate London and the southeast in a great pincer movement. The remaining German forces, located around the Medway and on the Thames estuary, would then thrust towards London - the ultimate target of the invasion force. The remaining German forces, located around the Medway and on the Thames estuary, would then thrust towards London General von Runstedt was in command of Army Group A, which was to be the main tool of invasion.

As it happened, Von Runstedt had little faith in Halder's Sealion plan. He observed that Napoleon had failed to invade and the difficulties that confounded him did not appear to have been solved by the Sealion planners. Probably von Runstedt observed that one of the plan's main weaknesses was the small scale of the initial assault and the slow build-up.

The first wave assault was to be carried out not by nine complete divisions but only their leading echelons numbering in each case around 6, men. So only the equivalent of three divisions - around 60, men - would have been involved in the first wave assault. About tanks and very little artillery would have supported them. An added factor worrying von Runstedt would no doubt have been the amateur and ad-hoc nature of the sea transport.

The consequence would be troops landed at the wrong place or at the right place at the wrong time - or not landed at all if British sea and air power had not been completely destroyed.

And these same problems of transport would apply to and slow down the build-up of reinforcements unless a number of major ports were captured quickly and intact - which was highly unlikely. There were, said Hitler, other ways of defeating Britain. As Hitler started to back away from invasion the battle for dominance of the skies over England and the English Channel - a battle that now, perhaps, had little strategic value - reached a new peak of fury.

On 3 September, with the RAF still far from destroyed, Field Marshal Keitel, head of the Armed Forces High Command, delayed Sealion until 21 September, and then again until 27 September, the last time the tides would be right before the end of the year. The day after this last postponement was announced, Goering launched his final major offensive to destroy RAF Fighter Command in daylight action. It was a dismal failure, with the Luftwaffe losing twice as many aircraft as its potential victim.

On 17 September - two days after Goering's defeat - Operation Sealion was postponed indefinitely. The plan was never to be revived. Hitler's attention was drawn increasingly to the east, and in June he invaded the Soviet Union.

In Britain's defences against sea-borne attack were scaled down. By that date it was finally certain that the German army - fatally mauled in Russia - was in no position to invade Britain. But Britain's coastal defences were not dismantled. As the war ended, there were those who believed that the Soviet Union would be the next enemy and in anticipation of this NATO was formed in for the defence of western Europe and north America.

But even if the Soviets were the new enemy it gradually became clear during the early s that a Soviet invasion - if it came - would not be launched against the coast of Britain, and from coastal defences around the British Isles were gradually decommissioned.

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